Reel 0616, 1961 August 05

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Note 1: "Discussion of Dave Heath's book. Gene, Carole, Lou Draper. Both Sides. Stereo? Aug 5, 1961"; Note 2: CDI Smith, Carole Thomas, Lou Draper in loft 1. Smith on Pittsburgh and Country doctor (layout woes) 2. cont'd discussion and mention of Thompson 3. cont'd 4. Bernie Quint and Pittsburgh layout 5. ***Smith talking about the connection of photography to the works of Da Vinci and Michelangelo 6. Hitachi referenced 7. "What is commercial, Beethoven's symphonies and money for production 8. cont'd discussion of commercial and other types of photography, money and integrity points made by Smith (money is not the variable) 9. great educator, 10. vignette 11. other various side topics CDII 1. Smith on beliefs references to Christ, Judaism, Mayor Wagoner, Elijah Mohamed 2. Smith discussion photo layout and previous night's discussion 3. Smith on photo text, reference to salesgirl photograph 4. cont'd 5. cont'd "Gee, we got a lot of work done today, didn't we?" 6. con'td, several subjects 7. cont'd 8. Smith sings opera 9. Carole "getting ready to go." 10. layout. ***fire inspectors (smoked in loft while saying "don't smoke in here.") 11. con'td 12. Carole (or female assistant) "I'll be right back" layout and prints talk, eating and drinking milk "we're treating you, Lou" "I don't get paid for another week" "check on Monday, anyway...this was said seven months ago." (all quotes by Smith) 13. con'td discussion, "look I've got this damn jam and stuff on my hands." CDIII 1. various photo talk 2. cont'd "Dave Ragan's new volkswagon" 3. "Carole and Smith talking about setting up photos 4. cont'd "University of California character" 5. photo criticism 6. cont'd photo critque (other room, classical music = Overton??) 7. con'td 8. Dave in loft, OCasey, Shakepeare, other topics 9. cont'd 10. Smith mention of Hall/Hal "you characters better lose this phobia about generations, fast." (Smith on photographers) menion of Ginsberg's "Howl" book and "so's my daughter, Shana." 11. cont'd 12. photo layout, generations and age groups discussed 13. photos in layout "pulling a blanket over his head" (specific photo referenced) 14. cigarette break? (classical piano in loft audible) knock at doorm male assistant? Mentionof book, Dave Young, Lin Halliday. CDIV 1. on Dave Young" lats of interesting small talk 2. Carole's drawings, layout advice by Smith, swing photo referenced 3. photo discussion 4. cont'd 5. Smith remarks and Lou discussing relation of self expression and the subject 6. con'td 7. "Ph, glance over there and see how my tapes going, that was a short reel. Is it off?" "Are you recording or playing back?" " 8. Cartier Bresson story and Kerouac mntioned along with James Joyce and Carole referncing Sibohan McKenna 9. wiring and war 10. photos and book layout, Freud reference 11. and 12. cont'd discussion on photos, layout and Pittsburgh "In about 10 years they'll like the book." CDV 1. stairsteps and piano in loft, trumpet, very quiet off mic in other room 2. mic sound laouder volume piano and trombone riffs, doors and footsteps, "you don't have the latest issue of Life Magazine, do you?" and "Lou, where is that piano music?" ;

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