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Note 1: "Session - 2 In the Dark Room & Studio."; Note 2: CDI 1. Moby Dick on Channel 9, TV. Mid scene, singing. 2. Sucrets ad, Nu Soft fabric softener ad, 3. cont'd Moby Dick 4. about Ahab then Miller High Life beer ad. 5. cont'd 6. Jazz ad for Chase Manhattan, then Camera Ad, Spanish Harlem street gang TV show ad and 7. Love-It oven cleaner ad (safe to skin) then back to Moby Dick 8. cont'd 9. cont'd then Ad, for Colgate Toothpaste, Guardel 10 Ad for new Rose Lotion dish soap. 11. con'td show and then ad for California travel, American Airlines, 4-Way cold tablets. 12. Back to show 13. cont'd 14. ad for Cambell's Vegetable soup, ad for frozen cream of shrimp soup, and ad for 7-Up (soda). CDII 1. Moby Dick, cont'd ambient section and sighting the whale 2. Listerine ad and Chanel 9 Ten thirty film ID. Ad for Dodge Rambler '65 car. 2. film 4. film 5. ad for Danish Total vitamin cereal and Gold Medal Flour 6. film 7. ad for Ban deoderant, ad for Wilkinson steel razors. 8. film 9. film 10. Ocean Spray Cranberry juice Announcment for Channel 9 (current) Million Dollar Movie: Moby Dick. and next week's feature, "A View from the Bridge". Ad for Balllentine beer with flip caps. Powdered milk ad, Puss 'n Boots catfood ad, and on Friday at 9pm on Channel 9, Ben Gazarra in The Witness. 11. Documentary show on New York gangs with Petey Thomas, Puerto Rican gangs in Spanish Harlem, and the Youth Development Incorporated (reform program). 12. nature of gangs, then Ad for Pertussen Actin cough medicine and New Tone vinyl wax from Simonize. 13. gang documentary, doo woop 14. cont'd doc. CDIII Tyrih beer ad (beer on the rocks) Ad for Nair, Ad for Carter's laxative, then back to gangs documentary 2. cont'd 3. cont'd, then Lipton soup Tv Guide and Florida travel ad for Northwest Airlines. 4. doc then Gaines Prime dogood ad for General Foods. 11 pm news in color, Ad for Montclair ciarettes 5. gang dog 6. cont'd 7. cont'd and ad for Bromo Seltzer 8. Ruffino Chianti, Rolaids and doc 9. doc 10. Winston Filtered Cigarettes ad, Betty Crocker Frozen Treats ad, Channel 9 ads, then New show Let's Go the Races" (Horse racing) (Date November 4, 1960?) War Circle wines. 11. King Corn, Bermudea travel 12. New horse race, ad for Johnson vs. Goldwater race, (1964) CDIV WNET conversation about mixed race marriages on WNET 1-12. Next show is November 17 at 9pm 13. New program, Peter Davis, host: Six teenagers talking about television. Show: The Comers (could have aired at 7pm, if this is same day as Hot Line, below). -15. CDV 1. con'td report, Books. con'td then ads for Peyton Place show, Lady Plumber, Van Hearn Shoes 2. back to show 3. -4. Jumps to Les Crane Show (WABC-TV) Guests: Two former Miss Americas Yolande Betbeze and Evelyn Margaret Ay; Groucho Marx, Jimmy Breslin. Ads for Muriel Cigars. 8. cuts to Groucho Marx interview (same show) -11. Ad for Arid deoderant 12. Jimmy Breslin, guest spot. Jumps to different show (channel changed?) Anthony Quinn interview on TV (call in show: Hotline, Channel 11 ABC, 11:15 pm, November 10, 1964 Guests: Quinn, Elizabeth Taylor, Mitch Miller, David Susskind, Dorothy Killgallen) until 3. 3-6, channel changing 7. talking with feedback on radio show, mention of Smith on 8. ends on 12. with WOR ID and mention of Bob Downs and editor of magazine. CDVII 1. In loft. Smith and others talking, (including Nathan Lyons). 2. publications and slides discussed (for teaching set, to market and distribute) 3. cont'd 4. philosophy and approach to curriculum, "this year...Photography 65" 5. cont'd 6. Smith reposnds, mentions Miami cnference tapes and his debate with Wilson Hicks. Smith in Japan discussed and photography of other countries. 7. cont'd discussion and Ryan arrives at loft 8. serving coffee, discussing teaching and hosting a symposium mention of John, not in loft 9. Robert Frank mention ("I talked to Bob Frank earlier today.") 10. "our exhbitions..." coffee with Smith and Carole, mentions cat 11. discussion includes, money, Rouault, Chaos, and New school scloss, regarding Dave Heath 12. Dave Heath and Minneapolis. Tapes, Dave's book layout in loft, Smith talks about the session being on tape. 12. Dave Heath story, stayed 5 hours after class. 13. cont'd long discussion and Smith's class tapes. Detroit speech tape by Smith 14. cont'd CDVIII 1. discussion about 25 print portfolio worth $300. mention of Walker Evean, Adamson, Robert Frank, Edward Weston, and others. 2. photo graphy and sales talk, mentions Aaron Siskind's success selling prints through a gallery 3. cont'd 4. cont'd 5. coffee serveiw and Smith on the Big Book and Japan. 6. Smith on Jampan and printing, includes gravure discussion 7. cont'd. CDIX 1. cont'd 2. cont'd 3. Monograph series, clothbound boo and pricing. Trick for prints: Johnson's Paste Wax. 4. cont'd pringint discussion. and siren, 6. Shipping and packaginig for prints. 7. Ken Tiding, foot specialist recommended to Smith 8. Smith on home made cure for his foot, involving Scholl's pad and rubber bands. Smith's account of osteopathy and acupuncture for his foot/feet. 9. con'td stories of alternative cures 10. Harvard placebo effect sotry and Smith on the comparison of voodoo doctors and Western doctors 11. Smith story about docotro and travel -13. 14. Smith mentions Spanish Village trip. CDX 1. cont'd Smith on Spanish Village: "Please tell the truth" (citizen said to Smith). Guardia Civil interaction 2. cont'd Ronnie Jacques, Canadian photographer referenced 3. Smith on Candadian brain surgeon Penfiels (failed Life story) 4. Smith sleeping pill story 5. cont'd hospital story. Dr. Dorrance, roughest hands, looked like Daddy Warbucks. Oral surgeon and dentist talk . 6. cont'd CDXI 1. loft ambient and footstpes conversation (Nathan Lyons and Smith) 2. SPE slide sets 3. symposium about the history of photogrpahy "end of this month" November 1964. 4. kids and language and visual language. 5. "Photographers on PHtography" Nathan Lyons talking about book that came out later on May 15, 1966. Just getting started in 1964. Potography '65 publication discussed. 6. Smith criticism of William Klein. Smith saying some tapes were stolen while he was in Japan. 7. Carole Thomas enters, this overlaps with previous part of tape, perhaps more audible -11. mention of Chaos and Dave heath 12. last track CDXII 1. Dave Heath cont'd overlap with CDVII. Ends with print making talk on track 9. CDXIII cont'd overlap from CD7 and 8. begins with Lyons and Smith and Carole on book printing issues 7. Ken Tidings, podiatrist 10. alternative cures 14. "Please tell the truth" 15. method of Spanish Village CDXIV 1. cont'd overlap, Ronnie Jacques -5. requiem after oral surgeon and dentist talk. ;

Note 1: "Smith, Carole and Martinez. Sat May 15, 1965. Badly Distorted. Stereo 1 7/8 most of both sides. Also Oscar Brown Jr or "look up and live probably distorted. Camera III, discussion of 1984 probably distorted. Beautifying America (Opened) probably distorted. etc. Tandberg not working slow speeds."; Note 2: CDI 1. Smith and Carole form 5/15/65. Others in loft, including Romeo Marinez. Small talk. Someone leaving. 2. Civl Rights Ad. WNBC audible in loft while Smith and Carole talk. Michelobe Beer ad Arrival of Romeo Martinez at loft (references wild taxi driver) 3. conversation 4. Sensorium talk 5. dinner talk 6. photo talk 7. cont'd mention of Bernard HOffman and Cartier Bresson; John Sarkowski. 8. cont'd story, Bernie Quint and MoMa mentioned 9. Life Magazine 10. swans and cats, on Smith's "beautiful" Miami speech. 11. different topics 12. 'cont'd, talk about either Chaplin or Arthur Miller CDII 1. cont'd Martinez on future of photography 2. cont'd Tolstoy and fiction's future 3. visual and prose compared. Mention of Mili. 4. cont'd Harper's and Cornell Capa, and others 5. cont'd, money matters 6. Importance of Big Book 7. gravure vs offset printing 8. print and other particulars of book production 9. Romeo: "When I was in Turkey last year." 10. Smith** "I've gambled my whole life, what are you talking about?!" and more photo talk, Gene's "comeback" 11. cats and horses 12. cont'd CDIII 1. Martinez cont'd about Capas and Robert Capa book 2. book dummy of Smith 3. cont'd music starts in other room, trumpet? 4. Steichen and other topics 5. cont'd 6. cont'd 7. mentions Helen White and Cartier Bresson 8. history of picture story, Muncasi, "the decisive moment" of Cartier Bresson discussed as concept 9. IMogen Cunningham discussed 10. mention of Harold Feinstein, teaching in Philadelphia 11. Bill Pierce and others discussed 12. cont'd,about Smith's recordings "I have nothing to play for you right now." CDIV 1. Martinez and Smith, talking, Smith on tercom 2. (trumpet in loft?) and ongoing conversation. Smith's research on mixed marriage for photo story (never attempted) 3. cont'd Carole on photo story 4. cont'd, big Book 5. cont'd 6. talk about David X Young and jazz Carole serving food in loft 7. cont'd 8. Smith's method, Stravinsky mentioned, other pohtographers including Lincoln Kirstein story (salami in loft) 9. salami talk 10. wine and food talk 11. small talk and Pending the cat referenced 12. pohto talk, printers and the loft. CDV1. trumpet audible in loft with ongoing conversation,. Japan 2. contd, production methods and practices, Japan and USA 3. cont'd 4. Jan Beer, Africa, agricultrure 5. cont'd CDVI 1. photo talk cont'd. Smith's work ethic. Weegee and Naked City discussed 2. on Smith 3. debate about revisiting Spanish Village 4. Black Star agency. Kernfeld. harlie Harbutt and Magnum agecy talk 5. cont'd, Spanish Village 6. Smith family 7. Japan, Stravinsky, Medical Directory journal photos, need for money (Smith) 8. Smith on color photography (trying to think of Michelangelo Antonioni but Martinez can't remembe his name) 9. "Moment of Love" photos by Smith (from Shirley Clarke film) 10. Carole, her painings 11. cnt'd, 12. abot Nathan Klein, Dave Young, Overton. CDVII 1. cont'd, Haiti, Tiger the cat, Schweitzer, big Book 2. Schweitzer and Tennessee Williams photos, Piero Zeferidi mentioned 3. Spanish Village return idea 4. jazz talk, mention of Piper Laurie in The Glass Menagerie 5. cont'd Life Magazine, James Agee and Smith, Tabun the cat 6. Smith and family, Pa Smith 7. Carole's images Alexander nevsky story. 8. family and Smith 9. 4am, Martinez has appointment in morning 10. Sports Illustrated story as a catalyst for Smith being blackballed from photojournalism assignments thanks to Life Magazine, alleged by Smith. 11. Life Magazine talk 12. small talk after Martinez leaves. CDVIII 1. Oscar Brown, Jr. on CBS television. Narrative and songs about African American experience. 2. Savings Bonds ad, ad for Mental Health Association, Face the Nation ad, and WCBS Channel 2 jingle 3. Camera Trhee on CBS The world in 1984 show. with Joseph Rothblatt 4. cont'd,. ad for Committe for Gracie Mansion. Rainbow Room ad. 5. Jumps to pop on radio "Baby won't you please come home" 6. French Canadian jingle for Rheingold extra dry beer 7. George Harris "I remember you" 8. new song. CDIX 1. cont'd porgramming then ABC News and mention of outer space transmission 2. Jumps to ad and "the Young Land" dram a on WABC -5. May 16, 1965, News, Baseball, Cassius Clay vs Liston (happened later on May 25), and NY World's Fair 6. back to show. CDX 1. cont'd debate program about bill boads and pollution and beautification -6. Carl Buckhouse, Phillip Tucker, John Carmen Frank Minn. End of The Open Mind: Ameraica The Beautiful. Ad for Northeast Airlines, ad for The Saint. Walt Disney Robin Hood on Channel 4 ad 7. Sunday Afternoon Report, bob Teague, NYC News, Ballentine Beer ad 8. Jumps to Roy Eaton and William Stringfellow, Jim Van Sickle, on WABC legisative discussion. 13. Military commentary about Vietnam War, Sunday on NBC, Ad for Walt Disney's World of Clolor Sunday on NBC Branded, with Chuck Connors. ;

Note 1: "Part is Stereo. About Interview. Calls Mackland, Dolan, Okamoto, and Asmp. include some phone calls. End part continues Aug. 4th (Friday) call to Okamoto in Japan. (2nd Call) Also Part of interview with Louis? (Wrote Article) Also part of phone call - Dolan - Aug 7. 1st room talk misc. Before class."; Note 2: CDI 1. Dial tone and call ASMP Yvonne (Carole Thomas calling) Roger Keohane, Yvonne on Smith and Maclin, Smith's converns 2. new call to smith writer wants an interview (Brooklyn) invited over, given address "new aluminum front" 3. call to Time Incorporated for Ray Maclin, Kate answers, Tokyo letter, $25,000 assignment, Sterling movies. Tokyo friend. end of call 4. call to Sterling Movies, Dolan's office. expected to call Smith back after noon. CDII 1. apt. Carole, other, and Smith. 1. 2. putter and conversation with Smith (previous phone caller? 17 yr. old student) good interview on Smith's photography 3. cont'd editors the audience, integrity and leaving Magnum. 4. cont'd Magnum, Pittsburgh, Spanish Village, Midwife, country doctor, Haiti story, phone call for Smith 5. Smith returns and continues interview. editing, fight for stories, 6. current assignments, Life, Look Magazines, writer, in high school, 17 years old. persective 7. integrity and courage, reference to Miami conference, public vs. private opinion of Smith 8. Smith's work best 3 portraits Dentist, Mother, daughter looking at a twig.*** reference to Avedon, Irving Penn, vs. Avedon's book. 9. cont'd Smith vs. Avedon book. reference to Isak Dineson. and truth/art. 10. cont'd, reference to assignment research, turned down Adlai Stevenson assignment. 11. Cornell Capa reference 12. cont'd talk, Pop Photo, Smith's writing. Photo Annual, Smith's success 13. cont'd phone call. refers to Cartier Bresson, Mike Wallace, Dolan call. Smith on events re: Keohane, Ray Maclin. 14. cont'd reputation vs perception, Matsuda, Okamoto, Money and more. 15. rumor vs. Smith Schweitzer sotry, Carole and more. CDIII 1. street sounds, Smith and Carole Thomas. interviewer is "Louis" Smith dictating checks to Kline, F&S. Reference to loft alarm. 2. cont'd 3. cont'd 4. bills, and finances 5. Al Esformes check. 6. cont'd Cooper Union ref. 7. cont'd 8. cont'd, ambient street more audible 9. putter and talk, bills, phone call, Norma's 10. Overton's stuff, bill paying 11. lvey dovey talk 12. ref. to Taeko Yokamoto, small tallk, jumps to more talk and phone call 13. prints, copy negatives, Tommy Jons, other story of war negatives in the wastebasket. 14. process, plate, tonal values, parade Magazine, Smith's printing, and other small talk 15. need for negative, IPAN ANSCO ad agency "Richard" and Carole's mother discussed at end. CDIV 1. loft putter footstpes cont'd with mild buzz-5. ??Lin and Gin (Halliday) reference to Tom Wayburn. "We have sessions up here, just swept the floor, when the session is over...cigarette butts, ...right in the floor." 6. putter 7. talk off mic 8. cont'd with loud street ambient (mic in window?) 9. cont'd. CDV 1. quiet loft with some movemnt -5. putter and radio pickup (wires) 6. phone call to Smith 7. Mr. Okamoto, AT&T, RCA, cablegram joke. re Dolan's check for Smith. Smith story, Airlines, Norma, need for $500. logistics, Matsuda Cosmo, Okamoto. 8. cont'd Pennsylvania Bank on 32nd and 7th. advance to Smith's Chase Manhattan Bank, logistics, check on way? 9. cont'd Smith's case, pending details. Smith's concerns 10. regarding Dolan, Okamoto carole OTaeko. ...;