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Note 1: "Full track recording @ 7 1/2 ips. Dub #30 continuation of evening session of April 24. Recorded April 24, dubbed May 12 from reel 41 & 42. Newport Jazz Festival, 2nd night. #1 of Smith-Hicks."; Note 2: CDI 1. Introduction and talk mentioning Stieglitz Smith comments and Romeo Martinez also talks. 2. Smith, year in Pittsburgh: "You should see the lining of my stomach." nature of impoverished luxury for that story discussed, and nature of the document 3. Colorado story and balance discussed 4. Smith on aesthetics in photojournalism, (Smith's rebuttal in favor of his definition of aesthetics vs. mediocrity as a standard of photojournalism 5. debate cont'd: deadlines, quality, 6. Smith cont'd about effort, honesty, and tension of aesthetics and mediocrity 7. ends with Smith comments CDII 1. WCBS coverage of Newport jazz festival of 1959, ad for Studebaker, JOhnny Dankworth and orchestra, tune 2. talk set, Willis Conover "Take the A Train" , 3. Studebaker Lark automobile ad 4. Dakota Statton and Band, Trio "Cherokee" 5. tune "Trust in Me" and "Idaho" (from new album), then "The Thrill is Gone" 6. new tune "Who's got the last laugh now?" 7. "Crazy he calls me" 8. "The Party's Over" 9. "Misty" 10. Ad for Studebaker Lark 11. "The Jazz Man" spoken by DJ 12. Oscar Peterson announced, and Gene Krupa 13. Studebaker Lark ad 14. Gene Krupa quartet 15. New tune, and dj end of Mitch Miller broadcast. ***Ad for Nodoz 16. jumps to Hermanaires, Larry Hermann and the Quartet "yesiree, You got it" 17. jumps to brief section of avant garde classical recording. ;

Note 1: "Discussion of Dave Heath's book. Gene, Carole, Lou Draper. Both Sides. Stereo? Aug 5, 1961"; Note 2: CDI Smith, Carole Thomas, Lou Draper in loft 1. Smith on Pittsburgh and Country doctor (layout woes) 2. cont'd discussion and mention of Thompson 3. cont'd 4. Bernie Quint and Pittsburgh layout 5. ***Smith talking about the connection of photography to the works of Da Vinci and Michelangelo 6. Hitachi referenced 7. "What is commercial, Beethoven's symphonies and money for production 8. cont'd discussion of commercial and other types of photography, money and integrity points made by Smith (money is not the variable) 9. great educator, 10. vignette 11. other various side topics CDII 1. Smith on beliefs references to Christ, Judaism, Mayor Wagoner, Elijah Mohamed 2. Smith discussion photo layout and previous night's discussion 3. Smith on photo text, reference to salesgirl photograph 4. cont'd 5. cont'd "Gee, we got a lot of work done today, didn't we?" 6. con'td, several subjects 7. cont'd 8. Smith sings opera 9. Carole "getting ready to go." 10. layout. ***fire inspectors (smoked in loft while saying "don't smoke in here.") 11. con'td 12. Carole (or female assistant) "I'll be right back" layout and prints talk, eating and drinking milk "we're treating you, Lou" "I don't get paid for another week" "check on Monday, anyway...this was said seven months ago." (all quotes by Smith) 13. con'td discussion, "look I've got this damn jam and stuff on my hands." CDIII 1. various photo talk 2. cont'd "Dave Ragan's new volkswagon" 3. "Carole and Smith talking about setting up photos 4. cont'd "University of California character" 5. photo criticism 6. cont'd photo critque (other room, classical music = Overton??) 7. con'td 8. Dave in loft, OCasey, Shakepeare, other topics 9. cont'd 10. Smith mention of Hall/Hal "you characters better lose this phobia about generations, fast." (Smith on photographers) menion of Ginsberg's "Howl" book and "so's my daughter, Shana." 11. cont'd 12. photo layout, generations and age groups discussed 13. photos in layout "pulling a blanket over his head" (specific photo referenced) 14. cigarette break? (classical piano in loft audible) knock at doorm male assistant? Mentionof book, Dave Young, Lin Halliday. CDIV 1. on Dave Young" lats of interesting small talk 2. Carole's drawings, layout advice by Smith, swing photo referenced 3. photo discussion 4. cont'd 5. Smith remarks and Lou discussing relation of self expression and the subject 6. con'td 7. "Ph, glance over there and see how my tapes going, that was a short reel. Is it off?" "Are you recording or playing back?" " 8. Cartier Bresson story and Kerouac mntioned along with James Joyce and Carole referncing Sibohan McKenna 9. wiring and war 10. photos and book layout, Freud reference 11. and 12. cont'd discussion on photos, layout and Pittsburgh "In about 10 years they'll like the book." CDV 1. stairsteps and piano in loft, trumpet, very quiet off mic in other room 2. mic sound laouder volume piano and trombone riffs, doors and footsteps, "you don't have the latest issue of Life Magazine, do you?" and "Lou, where is that piano music?" ;

Note 1: "1962. Photo Phart. 1st side: Gene, Sesiko, Carole in some times heated discussion about, Just a little dummy, quick editing and life, etc. Plea for time to work and edit. Budget deadline. 2nd side. Blank. 1st Jun and Carole and Gene about ….. 2nd Some talking with man from photo arts stolen and men from Canon."; Note 2: Gene, Sesiko, Carole CDI 1. discussion of deadlines for specific photo essays and Hitachi book. Smith talks about Pittsburgh darkrooms (3). There is a translator, Japanese/English. 2. Smith on photo essays and issues relating to production 3. Smith's leg, translation, Hitachi City, and integrity of this work in regard to his reputation. 4. Mention of Hitachi Vice President, Smith on editing process, Life Magazine comparison. 5. making the essay 6. Big Book, 30pages, Portfolio and magazine work 7. playwright anaology editing like writing a speech, then questions in Japanese 8. need for smith's photos to be ready for multiple uses. example of the Bank of America Hardcover booklet Hitachi Catalogues and work process 9. symphony comparison, Loft Essays *** and how they differ from the overall body of work 10. Big Book, Hitachi City germ free laboratory story, New labs in Tampa Florida. 11. cancer research, new quarters, grouping by Mishiyama, envelopes phone call comes in 12. phone call regards dummy for book, cigarette in apt. putter and looking for envelope (negatives/prints) 13. small talk off mic. CDII 1. Smith cont'd on Japnanese photos and issues 2. pickpocket metafor 3. Kodachrome II developed and photos audible, putter 4. Smith reading out loud Jumps to Smith and Carole 5. putter 6. cont'd, Jumps to other similar content 7. Mishiyama yesterday 8. cont'd talk 9. photo talk 10. cont'd 11. cont'd, *** Smith photographs of New York snowstorm mentioned. ;

Note 1: "April 9, 1961. Morning refrigerator. Low D. Phil D. Carole T."; Note 2: CDI 1. ambient loft, phone rings, talk off mic, Smith in darkroom, street ambient 2. cont'd 3. cont'd, closer to mic, piano begins in loft from other floor/room, loud stairsteps descend 4. Smith talking to "Lou" and working. Carole Thomas's voice audible. 5. "Carole, you got a watch?" "Sure". Then Smith talking to "Phil" off mic "don't go..." 6. con'td talk about priitng after audio drops out 7. cont'd 8. cont'd 9. war photography, 9. cont'd 11. cont'd 12. Someone is looking for a tuning bell (on phone) 13. ****Jumps to Smith talking to cat and mouse in the loft. CDII 1. ongoing tape, Smith talking to cat Pending and mouse in the loft 2. putter and talk, sweeping 3. off mic talk and humming 4. more interesting talk 5. baseball talk, 6. up stairsteps, talk off mic with Phil 7. cont'd, police siren 8. cont'd, no siren 9. cont'd 10. "play it back and see" 11. bits of talk include: "Mark Twain" HI lou" "recognize the trio?" "recording everything" "Hello Gene" and "Hello Hal" (Overton? Bigler? other?) 12. "picked up the tape recorder" stape guns "is it time that you recorded that?" "I'm going out to get something to eat" "I haven't heard a word you said." "Did you record it?" "Yeah" **;

Note 1: "Things on box crossed out. Talk and maybe cat. Some drum playing in the far back."; Note 2: CDI 1. loud buzz to quiet buzz throughout, Pagebody. Putter in loft 2. con'td, clatter 3. cont'd 4. Pending cat mentioned 5. footsteps on the stair/floor, creaky 6. Smith on piano 7. cont'd 8. cont'd with cat 9. con'td piano 10. con'td, footstpes, screen door 11. putter and footsteps, cat meow 12. footsteps on creaky floor 13. cont'd 14. cont'd CDII 1. ambient street, thunderstorm, Smith on piano, hammering off mic, footsteps away from mic at end (less buzz) 2. cat footstpes, hammer, PUtter 3. con'td work sounds 4. quiet 5. putter and talking to cat/self by Smith 6. piano begins, footsteps away 7. quiet 8. brief Smith talking, loud female person in hallway, Smith singing bluesy song near mic and then humming. CDIII 1. door open and close, Smith talks with cat Pending 2. Smith near mic 3. footsteps near mic and mic tamper 4. cont'd static, footstpes and putter 5. steps near mic 6. ambient street sound 7. silence 8. cat 9. cont'd 10. loud street ambient 11. weird mic sounds, static, amient and sound of rain, 12. cont'd 13. cont'd, car honk, street. ;

Note 1: "Feb 1961. Jon Groja and his brothers. W. E. Smith's son in law. Also Carole, Lou, then Gene. 3 3/4. Stereo? Viking."; Note 2: CDI 1. Talk. Jumps to hum and then to loft, cont'd, street ambient loft sounds and tape breaks 2. Hold-up story, gas and sleeping in truck. Two male voices and one female in loft. 3. Night shift story "Tom " and "Florida" mentioned 4. cont'd talk, Bronx 5. small talk, cont'd 6. cont'd John G mentioned, Pat and other small talk 7. cont'd, draft card mentioned and "shouldn't even be drinking that shit" time is 8:50 (am/pm?) mention of Harvey Moses(?) 8. cont'd break in story and 9. mention of family, Lloyd and Marvin (no father in the house, "14 year old kid") 10. cont'd talk, chauffer's license Peakskills tire iron fight story 11. cont'd 12. drum riffs continue in background 13. footsteps near mic CDII 1. ambient 2. cont'd 3. "Gene" 4. -6. cont'd ambient 7. ABC radio pre football game or boxing match Schaeffer Beer ad, Howard Cosell , Mention of Ingemar Johannson and Floyd Patterson (on air or advertised? at end) ;

Note 1: "March 1961. Joanita at studio. Stereo 3 7/8. Johnny, Carole, Gene, Lou? Etc."; Note 2: CDI 1. buzz and male and female voices off mic 2. cont'd, no buzz, darkroom sound, Carole Thomas addressed, Pageboy, buzz, talk off mic. 3. cont'd, bad static/buzz 4. ambient loft, whistling, photography talk, preparation for gallery type show. Mckenna and Smith mentioned. lots of talking about photography, Dave Heath (not there), the Lange Gallery, ideas, cleaning the loft "tonight" Pop Photo. Pierce, Ted Cushing 5. "Carole wouldn't let me" CDII 1. talk in loft cont'd, Smith and others, "Goodbye Carole, goodbye Gene" "Molly" leaving 2. "what's this about thieves, Gene?" Smith trying to track down missing items, Smith: "Do you characters know how to peel Polaroid?" 3. photo talk includes Polaroid film 4. weird clicking noises and Smith instructing use of Polaroid print/negative 5. "Lou" "in honor of Jeff Gordon" "boric acid or something" Then, reading instructions out loud. 6. cont'd darkroom instuction, chemicals and photo talk, 7. deciding how to work wiith prints, drying process, Smith, Lou (Draper?), Carole Thomas in loft. Someone asking to borrow a roll of film from Smith 8. "Is Hall still teaching?" ..."I don't know whether he is or not...he was on WBAI the other day." Looking for sodium carbonate. other developer, Lou looking. 9. putter and more darkroom work 10. darkroom cont'd dropout 11. Pageboy and silence through 13. CDIII 1. silence cont'd with Pageboy on 4. 5. putter close to mic and "Gene" Carole Thomas talking to W. Eugene Smith 6. photo talk, 7. cont'd talk and phone ringing 8. darkroom sounds 9. cont'd 10. cont'd and "pictures that haven't been published" 11. buzz/Pageboy/ambient loft darkroom -14. door opens at end CDIV 1. Pageboy, Buzz and door sound 2. cont'd door again 3. footsteps and cont'd ambient with buzz -9 10. talk, putter, buzz, siren, and street sounds, mic tamper at end. Jumps to Smith testing mic by clapping then 11. Smith talking about cleaning soap, (caustic) photo discussion and "tell him if he can try to get all of each size stacked together." 12. cont'd ambient, Carole Thomas and Smith talk at end. CDV 1. conversation with two males. and female 2. cont'd play talk and darkroom water sounds. 3. negatives, printing discussion, "I hope this book comes out OK for Gene." 4. phone near mic "He never answers the phone up here." Yells to Smith, Carole arrives. Gary's phone (?) 5. piano starts under talk, mention of Grace Mara, Wayne Miller, his wife, and photos arriving. and spotting done. 6. buzz and ambient 7. cont'd. vox, darkroom sounds, phone, talk, and darkroom work 8. cont'd talk, "Is that you? I thought it was Carole. Crazy place." 9. "did you find the Paradise Garden...in circles." Water and talk off mic. 10. cont'd 11. Smith talking about cat, color film, prints, 12. darkroom and talk off mic 13. looking at prints, "Oh very good now I can see that, it looks beautiful." Prints yet to be sprayed with "Tough Film" product 14. cont'd talk CDVI 1. cont'd darkroom ambient, and work sounds Brief piano on other floor/other room. 2. cont'd with putter 3. voices in stairwell, 2 female voices, one is Carole Thomas. Current photo work talk. 4. street noise 5. cont'd 6. "Smith, Thomas and other stalking about phot work 7. cont'd, DX-65 mentioned. 8. buzz talk, silence (dropout) 9. cont'd 10. cont'd 11. jumps back to loft talk and pinao in background, mention of Pittsburgh CDVII 1. loft putter, "shark bite" and quiet talk 2. Smith talking with Lou, photo work. street ambient and tire screech 3. Carole Smith and Lou talk 4. mentions Joan of Arc, harmonica played "Peg Leg Bates" mentioned. 5. pohto work and spotting, 6. "is that a bonjo I hear?" "Ruby" frames and photo talk, cost of frames. 7. small talk, work talk 8. con'td, mention of Scotch and cat 9. small talk, and prints stack "..Dan, I'll be right in." Mention of "Eddie Floyd" 10. Paradise Garden mentioned and ambient 11. cont'd loft/street ambient 12. cont'd 13. cont'd, some footsteps CDVIII (similar?);

Note 1: "Session - 2 In the Dark Room & Studio."; Note 2: CDI 1. Moby Dick on Channel 9, TV. Mid scene, singing. 2. Sucrets ad, Nu Soft fabric softener ad, 3. cont'd Moby Dick 4. about Ahab then Miller High Life beer ad. 5. cont'd 6. Jazz ad for Chase Manhattan, then Camera Ad, Spanish Harlem street gang TV show ad and 7. Love-It oven cleaner ad (safe to skin) then back to Moby Dick 8. cont'd 9. cont'd then Ad, for Colgate Toothpaste, Guardel 10 Ad for new Rose Lotion dish soap. 11. con'td show and then ad for California travel, American Airlines, 4-Way cold tablets. 12. Back to show 13. cont'd 14. ad for Cambell's Vegetable soup, ad for frozen cream of shrimp soup, and ad for 7-Up (soda). CDII 1. Moby Dick, cont'd ambient section and sighting the whale 2. Listerine ad and Chanel 9 Ten thirty film ID. Ad for Dodge Rambler '65 car. 2. film 4. film 5. ad for Danish Total vitamin cereal and Gold Medal Flour 6. film 7. ad for Ban deoderant, ad for Wilkinson steel razors. 8. film 9. film 10. Ocean Spray Cranberry juice Announcment for Channel 9 (current) Million Dollar Movie: Moby Dick. and next week's feature, "A View from the Bridge". Ad for Balllentine beer with flip caps. Powdered milk ad, Puss 'n Boots catfood ad, and on Friday at 9pm on Channel 9, Ben Gazarra in The Witness. 11. Documentary show on New York gangs with Petey Thomas, Puerto Rican gangs in Spanish Harlem, and the Youth Development Incorporated (reform program). 12. nature of gangs, then Ad for Pertussen Actin cough medicine and New Tone vinyl wax from Simonize. 13. gang documentary, doo woop 14. cont'd doc. CDIII Tyrih beer ad (beer on the rocks) Ad for Nair, Ad for Carter's laxative, then back to gangs documentary 2. cont'd 3. cont'd, then Lipton soup Tv Guide and Florida travel ad for Northwest Airlines. 4. doc then Gaines Prime dogood ad for General Foods. 11 pm news in color, Ad for Montclair ciarettes 5. gang dog 6. cont'd 7. cont'd and ad for Bromo Seltzer 8. Ruffino Chianti, Rolaids and doc 9. doc 10. Winston Filtered Cigarettes ad, Betty Crocker Frozen Treats ad, Channel 9 ads, then New show Let's Go the Races" (Horse racing) (Date November 4, 1960?) War Circle wines. 11. King Corn, Bermudea travel 12. New horse race, ad for Johnson vs. Goldwater race, (1964) CDIV WNET conversation about mixed race marriages on WNET 1-12. Next show is November 17 at 9pm 13. New program, Peter Davis, host: Six teenagers talking about television. Show: The Comers (could have aired at 7pm, if this is same day as Hot Line, below). -15. CDV 1. con'td report, Books. con'td then ads for Peyton Place show, Lady Plumber, Van Hearn Shoes 2. back to show 3. -4. Jumps to Les Crane Show (WABC-TV) Guests: Two former Miss Americas Yolande Betbeze and Evelyn Margaret Ay; Groucho Marx, Jimmy Breslin. Ads for Muriel Cigars. 8. cuts to Groucho Marx interview (same show) -11. Ad for Arid deoderant 12. Jimmy Breslin, guest spot. Jumps to different show (channel changed?) Anthony Quinn interview on TV (call in show: Hotline, Channel 11 ABC, 11:15 pm, November 10, 1964 Guests: Quinn, Elizabeth Taylor, Mitch Miller, David Susskind, Dorothy Killgallen) until 3. 3-6, channel changing 7. talking with feedback on radio show, mention of Smith on 8. ends on 12. with WOR ID and mention of Bob Downs and editor of magazine. CDVII 1. In loft. Smith and others talking, (including Nathan Lyons). 2. publications and slides discussed (for teaching set, to market and distribute) 3. cont'd 4. philosophy and approach to curriculum, "this year...Photography 65" 5. cont'd 6. Smith reposnds, mentions Miami cnference tapes and his debate with Wilson Hicks. Smith in Japan discussed and photography of other countries. 7. cont'd discussion and Ryan arrives at loft 8. serving coffee, discussing teaching and hosting a symposium mention of John, not in loft 9. Robert Frank mention ("I talked to Bob Frank earlier today.") 10. "our exhbitions..." coffee with Smith and Carole, mentions cat 11. discussion includes, money, Rouault, Chaos, and New school scloss, regarding Dave Heath 12. Dave Heath and Minneapolis. Tapes, Dave's book layout in loft, Smith talks about the session being on tape. 12. Dave Heath story, stayed 5 hours after class. 13. cont'd long discussion and Smith's class tapes. Detroit speech tape by Smith 14. cont'd CDVIII 1. discussion about 25 print portfolio worth $300. mention of Walker Evean, Adamson, Robert Frank, Edward Weston, and others. 2. photo graphy and sales talk, mentions Aaron Siskind's success selling prints through a gallery 3. cont'd 4. cont'd 5. coffee serveiw and Smith on the Big Book and Japan. 6. Smith on Jampan and printing, includes gravure discussion 7. cont'd. CDIX 1. cont'd 2. cont'd 3. Monograph series, clothbound boo and pricing. Trick for prints: Johnson's Paste Wax. 4. cont'd pringint discussion. and siren, 6. Shipping and packaginig for prints. 7. Ken Tiding, foot specialist recommended to Smith 8. Smith on home made cure for his foot, involving Scholl's pad and rubber bands. Smith's account of osteopathy and acupuncture for his foot/feet. 9. con'td stories of alternative cures 10. Harvard placebo effect sotry and Smith on the comparison of voodoo doctors and Western doctors 11. Smith story about docotro and travel -13. 14. Smith mentions Spanish Village trip. CDX 1. cont'd Smith on Spanish Village: "Please tell the truth" (citizen said to Smith). Guardia Civil interaction 2. cont'd Ronnie Jacques, Canadian photographer referenced 3. Smith on Candadian brain surgeon Penfiels (failed Life story) 4. Smith sleeping pill story 5. cont'd hospital story. Dr. Dorrance, roughest hands, looked like Daddy Warbucks. Oral surgeon and dentist talk . 6. cont'd CDXI 1. loft ambient and footstpes conversation (Nathan Lyons and Smith) 2. SPE slide sets 3. symposium about the history of photogrpahy "end of this month" November 1964. 4. kids and language and visual language. 5. "Photographers on PHtography" Nathan Lyons talking about book that came out later on May 15, 1966. Just getting started in 1964. Potography '65 publication discussed. 6. Smith criticism of William Klein. Smith saying some tapes were stolen while he was in Japan. 7. Carole Thomas enters, this overlaps with previous part of tape, perhaps more audible -11. mention of Chaos and Dave heath 12. last track CDXII 1. Dave Heath cont'd overlap with CDVII. Ends with print making talk on track 9. CDXIII cont'd overlap from CD7 and 8. begins with Lyons and Smith and Carole on book printing issues 7. Ken Tidings, podiatrist 10. alternative cures 14. "Please tell the truth" 15. method of Spanish Village CDXIV 1. cont'd overlap, Ronnie Jacques -5. requiem after oral surgeon and dentist talk. ;

Note 1: "7 1/2. 1st side finish of Kabuki Begun (not at beginning) on reel 234, noted on 235. 2nd side. may 3, 1962. Gene and Carole. Tired, draggen rambling about layout, camera, construction, etc."; Note 2: CDI 1. Kabuki and other on TV and radio 2. end of other show, Kabuki cont'd 3. cont'd -7. CDII 1. W. Eugene Smith and Carole Thomas in Japan, coversation 2. -5. caol in Japan stell making, Smith: Japan coal is good for fire, bad for steel. 6. Smith on iron hooks 7. Leica Pittsburh, Smith's invention of splitting mirrors for retro focus. Technical discussion. 8. cont'd and getting ready to go somewhere 9. cont'd shifts to printing "you're getting drunk, how can you say I'm better. " mention of Monk, Faulkner, and Carole's printing, ferrocyanide. 10. looking for Tokyo tower, film talk 11. cont'd talk. CDIII 1. cont'd conversation, cropping photographs, narcotics, 2. small talk, mentions Bruce Downes 3. cont'd with putter and and specific photo talk ;

Note 1: "Begins with a play or movie. Stereo. Traffic noises and conversations among other things. Gene talks of Lorant, signed agreements, lost revolutions, paradise for 50 dollars. Carole doesn't look it. I did not resign in anger. Maybe with Okamoto 1960."; Note 2: CDI 1. In loft. ambient, muted sound recording drones -4. some street noise 5. drone stops Bill and Tom pass on the steps 11. clear truck sound 12. whistle, ambient CDII 1. loft ambient 2. street voices, street sounds 2. silence to ambient street with buzz-5. CDIII 1. Smith talking with ?Richard Okamoto? Mentions: Carole, Larry Shustak, Okinawa and Hitachi LTD 2. Hitachi talk, Knowles Awlton, Cosmo Pr 3. cont'd talk, mentions Noguchi 4. cont'd 5. Pending enters. Ted Runge follows and says: "found this monster wandering in the streets." Bill "brother in law" and camera talk, mentions working at Willoughby's 6. Okamoto on Japan 1960. mention of Harry Belafonte LP. 7. Smith in Miami, John Durniak, Okamoto's conversation with Eve Arnold. Magnum Photography. 8. Smith and his financial history 9. On Stefan Lorannt, Carole arrive in loft 10. paradise Garden ad sotry and selling rights to the image. Ad work and depression of Smith lightened by Carole: "so damn talented." 11. Smith on photography ideal 12. mention of Jeff Gordon CDIV 1. loft ambient and tv radio drama, Smith hums to self 2. ambeint 3. cont'd 4. "Gene" (Carole) 5. details of Okamoto, directions for him in NY 6. Smith working with mic New sound, ambient from street, small talk 7. Bruce Downes and Jeff Gordon discussed. Gordon as potential agent for Smith. 8. Smith about John Rawlings, Simon and Schuster, Ziff Davis;

Note 1: "Talk on Jim s Prints on side. Oct 26, 1959. Finish with Long John Ben Gross? Talking about Europe. Also Starts side 2. Fairy green."; Note 2: CDI 1. Smith and female talking. Tape stops and resumes2. cont'd 3. Smith conversation -6. photography talk 7. ambient street in bakcground, photo layout discussed 8. cont'd debation on printing 9. cont'd debate, Schweitzer. You and Jim, "Emily and I" (George and Emily (Mack) Orick, most likely) Jim could be Jim Karales. 10. continued debate 11. Smith Life essay "the plant" as subject. Photo critique, Life story on Haiti: Ed Thompson turned it down. 12. cont'd essay discussion. logging essay also discussed. 13. cont'd CDII 1. cont'd: Smith, George Orick, Emily (Mack) Orick, Jim Karales. Smith on photography, loft, comparison of photography and playwrighting "a good speech in a play...if it doesn't fit, throw it out." 2. con'td 3. Smith onediting, with story 4. cont'd 5. cont'd mention of "Harry" 6. Smith defends Jim 7. cont'd debate 8. George talks 9. mention Larry Perkins, Jim Karales's talent. 10. someone says into mic "excuse me, I'm going to the bathroom." 11. Smith on taking criticism -13. CDII 1. cont'd , 2. simultaneous conversations 2. cont'd, 3. Smith talks about his tape recordings, Khrushchev, "trying to keep a running continuity of what the world was like, the news the jazz, the advertisements...." **** 4. cont'd talk 5. . cont'd 6. cont'd 7. WOR, Channel 9, Long John Nebel show Ozymandias as read by Tamir Kahlil, abaout Germany, club scene, jazz, Brandenberg Gate and the zones controlled by different nations. CDIV 1. cont'd LJN, guest, Tamir Kahlil, on iron curtain 2. cont'd 3. cont'd Photography mentioned 4. cont'd 4. ad for harper's Magazine, October 1959 Hudson Vitamins catalogue ad. Guests: Ben Gross, Tamir Khalil, Warren Pack, Walter McGraw. 6. Outer space and Soviet fear, UFO attack, Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" discussed. 7. Next show, Sunrise Serenade. 8. Jumps to talk, on WOR Goodman's recipe booklet. 9. Jumps to other channels, News, (about Mitchell Cutler) WNYC Spoken Words. Folkways Anthology of Negro Poetry for Young Peoople -12. Ends with "In Time of Silver Rain" by Langston Hughes. CDV 1. WNYC cont'd, rest of Folkways Anthology -2. Sydney POiteier reads 3. "As Sleep Coems Down to sooth the weary eyes" and other piesm . Continues -5. 6. Henry Purcell, The Faeirie Queen, Full score, begins . October 28. 1958/9. CDVI 1. cont'd Henry Purcell, "The Faerie Queen" Part I. 2. cont'd. CBC Vancouver Chamber Orch. and talk about librretto and score 4. Act II. ;

Note 1: "Both sides talk. Ohmika Club. Dec 1961."; Note 2: CDI W. Eugene Smith, Carole Thomas, Jun in darkroom working 2. banter and work talk: Hitachi steel, Mishiyama, and "Ted" (?) 3. cont'd talk and work. 4. Jun, joking about looking for girls on his day off. Talk about film hardener. 5. darkroom banter, Smith and Carole 6. cont'd 7. high priced microscopes 8. Smith hummin gand prinitng -11. more talk and work, 12. cont'd 13. glute tune by Smith, great playing, relatively. CDII 1. cont'd, darkroom work 2. Nishiyama discussed, train times, calling Otomo, Sekoko (sp?) 3. discussing HItachi subjects for photography (medicine, research, radiation) 4. samples, cancer research, subject and work details 5. cont'd (irony of translation of languages) 6. drying prints/film and captions, Smith needs to leave. 7. logistics for photographing on Saturday 8. Jun, Carole, Cosmo. Discussion: proof prints and layout. 9. Carole's dream of New YOrk, while in Japan and "supposed to come here March 1961. Cosmo didn't fund. In Japan, Hotel NIco, and Ropongi apartment, money matters. 10. approval for trip in June, History of discussion of terms between Smith and Cosmo/Hitachi. 11. work and phone call, Cosmo for Carole. 12. ambient 13. Carole, on sweaters, mention of staying at Ohmika Hotel, 14. ***System for filing Smith's prints explained. Hitachi photography discussion. ;

Note 1: "William Korshaw. Dr. W.K. Eishburne. Side 1 + 2. July 27, 1951."; Note 2: CDI Echoey audio and muffled quality. Easily discernable interview. July 27, 1951. W. Eugene Smith interview with Dr. Leon Banov, Charleston, SC. 1. questions and answers regarding Nurse Midwife essay subject Maude Callen. 2. about Calen, 10,000 people under her care (in Life story text). About Callen's clinic 3. insight into work, funding, Bishop Thomas, roads, retirement, country (subjects) 4. logistics and money discussion, Smith's hope that his story will bring donations to Maude Callen for clinical work. 5. cont'd about pay rates for midwives being low. 6. about Dr. Evans, Maude, cost of eduation 7. issues discussed by Smith, political, economic, and logistics of nurse midwife work. CDII 1. Reel One. interview with Dr. William Fishburn. July 27, 1951 head of Berkely County medical since 1931. Questions and answers 2. nature of lgistlative boad and processes for change 3. cont'd budget concerns 4. statistics, budgets. 5. 1939 statistics for medical concerns 6. budget specifics, Dr. Fishburn 7. cont'd ;

Note 1: "Blank. Both sides talking."; Note 2: CDI 1. July 27, 1951. W. Eugene Smith interview with Dr. Leon Banov, with Bernie Schoenfeld, field researcher present. Health department, epidemiology, politics 2. politics and change for medical establishment 3. cont'd 4. state of public health, 1951 5. about socialized medicine, public health, (mentions taking lunch) 6. politics and public health. Banov's ideas 7. cont'd CDII 1. cont'd interview, after a lunch break. subjects: William Harmon funded clinic, National Public Health, creation of county health. 2. Banov's history of medicine as it pertains to slavery in the U.S.*** 3. state of midwifery 4. about Maude Callen, Smith photography as a possible helping factor: "I need to do this."*** 5. County Health Department history. Optimism despite setback 6. cont'd and 1926 vignette, post hurricane medicine. 7. positive comments for Doctor Banov. legistlation and closing comments. ;

Note 1: "1961. Before Japan trip. Very noisy. Bill Forbes, Gene and Carole talking about selling equipment. Also Piper Laurie."; Note 2: Lin Halliday, Gin Arnott (Wald), Sonny Clark, W. Eugene Smith, Freddie ?, others. CDI 1. loft putter and ambient sound, footsteps 2. sax riff (Lin Halliday) talk about recording "you better start a record company after this someday." "Make you famous instead" (Smith and Halliday) sax riffs and talk, Gin Arnott (Wald) in loft. 3. sax riffs 4. talk, 2 male voices 5. riffs 6. talk 7. riffs 8. contd' with TV 9. cont'd 10. Lin to Gin "Do you have to have it so loud, Gin? do you have to have it so loud." ...continued, ambient, riffs, TV and street sounds, 18. "Lin Halliday" conversation off mic. CDII 1. cont'd loft talk and putter, 2. demonstration on piano "3 o'clock", riffs and more talk "Hey Gin, why don't you guys put it in the front room." (TV) "Sonny" 3. Two horn riffs. sax, drum riffs, and piano "You know 'Sweet Georgia Brown'?" "I know the changes" "Freddie, I think we're cool." piano riffs and tune discussion "G minor" 4. horn drum piano "Parker's Mood" ??, loosely played 5. riffs into new tune, interesting**. 6. riffs and tune talk, joking and using phone 7. riffs and telephone talk, 8. riffs and talk about Charlie Parker? into tune CDIII 1. cont'd. ****Teaching tune, explaining changes, trumpet, riffs, talk 2. Two horns and piano riff 3. talk, mentions Eddie Gomez, Les Elderhorn. hearsals and cab fare there and back. 106th. "Charlie's expecting me, you see" "Get Ronnie, ...he doesn't have a car, does he?" (session set up) 4. Tune talk "I went over to Jay Cameron's house and copped some changes." "Is that all you copped?" into "Love for Sale" tune(?) 5. tune talk 6. piano, tpt/tbn into tune 7. more talk "Dick Cary was up here one night." 8. sax riffs, and talk, " I don't know the head to 'Stablemates'" 9. more tune talk 10. sax riffs tune and more talk mentions Ben Webster ""They did it, I know that." 11. tune 12. riffs, new section "I don't know hwere we're at..." 13. talk off mic, 14. piano and sax riffs. CDIV 1. tune and talk "I heard Coltrane played it with Chet Baker." 3. riffs 4. talk, and riffs, "they young cats, they real young..." 5. piano and some offhand talk 6. more talk, several topics mentions Bird (Charlie Parker), JJ (Johnson), Jay Cameron, Don Cherry, Los Angeles. CDV 1. sax riffs, TV in background, talk off mic 2. cnt'd -11. knock on last track. CDVI, similar to previous with buzz on tape and TV in loft. CDVII 1. cont'd "How About You" from Babes on Broadway on TV in background on Channel 2 7. Ad for All detergent is audible -11. CDVIII cont'd, with Chanel 2 in background and Babes on Broadway as the Late Late show film. M&M's ad on 4. 6. ends with "Yankle Doodle Dandy" on TV CDIX 1. Smith, Carole in loft, Also Piano drums and sax in loft. voices, playing, and mentioning of audio set up 2. cont'd, new tune "Bill" mentioned 3. talk and footsteps leaving 4. sax riffs and door close in loft near mic 5. "My Funny Valentine" played 6. cont'd 7. ambient loft and movement yelling in loft or on street (off mic) 11. Smith conversation about water in loft and the fire door "They're going to take the air conditioner and put it in the kitchen." 12. phone rings, 15. putter/ambient CDX 1. whistle and talk off mic 2. cont'd 3. cont'd, Smith and Carole, "Bill lower that painting about,...down a brick and a half." (Smith, Carole, Bill) 4. -6. cont'd, then piano begins off mic 7. cont'd 8. footsteps, piano, putter -12. CDXI 1. cont'd, 2. phone rings 3. Smith talking with Carole, typewriter mentioned. bed. (posing for photo, is this Carole Thomas or another woman with the group? Piper Laurie posing??? 4-12. piano off mic, talking off mic, ambient, and people audible in loft. CDXII 1. Very quiet talk: Smith, Carole, other woman (Piper Laurie?) counting, and writing numbers static. (then overlaps with earlier CD from 629 stataic, 12. talking about Bill Forbes, Vinnie, Jimmy, Sonny, 13. "We're going to have to paint that damn bookcase." and other talk about typewriter by Smith. CDXIII static in loft With Bill, Carole and Smith. CDXIV 1. cont'd 1-11. 12. jazz on tv/radio/record then radio or tv ABC Micke Nichols and Elaine May comedyu on15. ;

Note 1: "Full track recording @ 7 1/2 ips. Dub #16. Copy "the Specialized magazine" afternoon session continued. Reel 22 + 23. Recorded April 23, dubbed April 29. 3 34/ ips. Music - News. Some of Lincoln Center ground breaking. See 2 other 3 " reels and end of Dub # 8."; Note 2: " CDI 1. Copy "the Specialized magazine" afternoon session continued. Reel 22 + 23. Recorded April 23, dubbed April 29. Penl: Jimmy, Mr. Hicks, Ms. Wilson, Polly. 1. mid conversatoin on photo releases, and issues of commercial promotional magazines (Chevrolet, Ford, Dupont) 2. rights and release (Brief audio dropout) cont'd conversation 3. question for POlly Medical Jounalism, Automotive and industrial specialized magazines, Q&A 4. cont'd, "We're not Life Magazine" and Arthur Leipzig sotry 5. cont'd, 6. audience questoins and ongoing talk 7. cont'd. CDII 1. WABC Radio 720AM Trini Lopez, "Kansas City Baby" 2. DJ 3. Bobby Darin "Dream Lover" 4. DJ 5. Connie Stevens "Kookie" 6. DJ telegram 7. Everly Brothers "Take a message to Mary" 8. DJ Allen Freed 9. "Hush a bye" 10. WABC-NY 11. Elvis Presley " A Fool Such as I" 12. Dion and the Belmonts "A Teenager in Love" by DJ 13. Dion tune 14. end of show Allen Freed signs off with 15. Fats Domino song "So Long" Jumps to 16 Lena Horne "Out of this World" 17. "I've got a right to sing the blues" tunes -20 DJ 5:21 AM 22. "Autumn in New York" Frank Sinatra 23. "They Can't take that away from me" "The Party's Over" "As Time Goes By" 24. Tune "If I had a pair of government boots" 25. Met Opera Association . Leonard Warren, Paglicacci, mention of Robert Moses, the mayor, Mr. President, and Mr. Rockefellar ;

Note 1: "1960. 2 or 4 track. One side has Ruth Lennis, May be Carole, and Gene. Starting prints. One other side has James Sister and some art director and Gene talking of other thins, but…."; Note 2: CDI 1. radio: British monologue Jumps to loft Smith and Carole 2. "real nice photograph" (Smith) 3. Smith on theorhetical logistics of shooting for Ford 4. Smith about high art and commericial success 5. cont'd 6. ****"sound portrait of the building…photographic book...Ziff Davis"***(Smith) 7. "I am actually a midwife" 8. on jounalism and artistic photography. Did John Lydon/Wideman call you back? ...and talk about the Schweitzer photos 9. cont'd, mention of Jean Pearson 10. Schweitzer work dynamic 11. cont'd discussion 12. on family 13. con'td 14. on photographic work and Schweitzer again. CDII Smith on Schweitzer and magazine story "no reason to ruin a story." 2 . Smith's standards 3. cont'd finance and other stories 4. cont'd 5. about moving prints** 6. about prints, lawuit, Frank Lloyd Wright story and about Wright the person. 7. cont'd, horns riff. 8. NC State Fair photos (Dorton Arena, not mentioned by name) General Motors. 9. talk includes Coney Island and MoMA, Levinson (?) 10. Smith on Smith 11. con'td, bass and sax playing a tune (NEW) 12. photo talk 13. photo talk (Smith getting ready to leave) CDIII 1. Smith talking, microphone and recording for book "several sets of records, come out, related to the book" ***** 2. solo trumpet in loft audible 3. music continues off mic, with trpt, sax solo (full small band) Smith tapping toes near mic 4. street noise, whistles. song in loft goes to "drum fours". 5. mic putter and ongoing 6. cont'd CDIV 1. Smith, Carole, Ruth, Lennie (in loft) talk and mention of Notre Dame (Smith) 2. Smith arrives, "these are by my son...and he won." ((Pat Smith's photographs)) "Well, Ruth" "Gene, there's one thing I'm never going to do, and that's lie to you." (Fetske) asking about Carol, and mention of Phil working. 3. Subjects: Phil on Smith's soul, Pittsburgh, System of ordering Smith's prints, Ruth on the "ones" and "twos". (Smith's best and second best print of an image) discussion of organization system. 4. system discussion, "Carole" more quiet talk. Mention of cat 5. more photo talk "Oh, that's Charlie Chaplin" 6. cont'd, mentions Pittsburh "number twos" and threes 7. cont'd 8. cont'd 9. cont'd, less talk 10. Ruth and Lennie, talkin, book, "hell of a place to put that big camera." "Frank" (there?) 11. "Met Opera" category, drawings, "Pittsburgh drawings" "If you don't stop adding pictures, you won't have a book."**** 12. more talk, looking for camera CDV 1. con'td activity and talk, mention of Kansas, Jeanette Lee" (sp?) (ambient street and drums in other room in loft, ongoing) 2. phone working, Smith calling Western Union for telegram, "top floor, of this address 821 Sixth Avenue...24th Street." 3. talk in loft 4. cont'd, Schweitzer box 5. drum/ambient 6. door open/close and footsteps 7. cont'd street ambient 8. cont'd, siren. jumps ahead or drops out, to cont'd talk about boxes andphoto categories for organizing Smith's photography. 9. Ruth Fetske working 10 "who are all these people" 11. photo organization, paintings mentioned 12. cont'd, "How much do you have to do before he gets here?" "Drinking pure scotch" 13. Sarah Bernhardt "I read it to the whole class, were you absent that night." (Smith) "No." (Fetske) CDVI 1. Smith talking while orgazinzin photographs in the loft, with Fetske 2. small talk, calling for Carole (other room/floor) 3. cont'd ;